Mind the Gap, Episode 9 – Tom & Emma Discuss School Criticism, CPD Systems & More
Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner reflect on their Mark McCourt interview and discuss criticism of schools and systems for professional development.

Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner explore a new, deeper discussion format in Episode 9 of Mind the Gap (John Catt Educational)
In episode 9 of Mind the Gap: Making Education Work Across the Globe, hosts Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner explore a new, deeper discussion format where they dive into timely topics without a guest.
First (1:26), they share takeaways from the previous episode of Mind the Gap, which featured an interview with Mark McCourt, renowned expert on teaching for mastery. They describe not only what viewers and listeners should look out for in the interview, but also what resonates most about Mark’s work overall.
Next (10:25), Tom and Emma highlight some other books they’ve been reading, including Back on Track by Mary Myatt, It Takes 5 Years to Become a Teacher, and Tom Bennett’s Running the Room.
Following this, the discussion moves into the three main topics:
1. The problems with school criticism (19:26) – The hosts discuss the criticisms of schools and school systems, including from those who don’t work in education. What criticisms are fair or unfair, and what toll do they take?
2. Do we have our CPD systems right? (29:29) – The discussion centers on top-heavy systems of continuous professional development (CPD), whether or not they’re working, and how to streamline them.
3. The Early Career Framework rollout (42:48) – The final topic is the UK’s rollout of the framework for teachers in the early stages of their career.
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